Wednesday, January 19, 2011

Stupid Pro-Gun Arguments

I have no interest in the gun “debate.” Debate is in quotes because, let’s be honest, it’s no more a debate than jerking yourself off is “getting laid.”

No, this isn’t a debate, and I don’t have any interest in pretending it is. Instead, I thought I would do my gun-loving readers some advice on what arguments not to use, and I’ll close it with the argument that is sound.

Don’t bring up the second amendment. For one thing, I see people who don’t even believe in government trying to invoke a government protected right. For another, it doesn’t matter what’s in the Constitution today, because the Constitution comes equipped with the means of being changed. There are supposed to be changes, there are supposed to be improvements and adjustments for changing situations. Then again, a lot of these people also see no problem with fighting a violent rebellion over not changing the Constitution… even when it comes to owning people.

Another stupid argument is the “if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns” argument. Right, well… by this logic, we shouldn’t outlaw rape or murder, because then only outlaws will rape and murder. If your point is that if you make something illegal, people will still do/want it, then you’re missing the whole point. What’s worse, you’re putting stupid ideas into people’s heads, like the idea that guns should be outlawed. If someone suggests gun control, you shouldn’t suggest outlawing guns completely… it makes you look as dumb as you probably are.

Let’s see, what else… oh, then there’s the “rebellion” argument. You know, how we need guns in case the government ever becomes tyrannical (or because it apparently is, in the eyes of alarmists). Because clearly, if the government ever did actually become tyrannical (as opposed to providing healthcare), you would surely be able to fend off stealth bombers dropping bombs on you from 40,000 feet with handguns, and your assault rifle is really going to chip the paint of their tanks.

A slightly more refined version of the above is the belief that America’s high gun ownership (which isn’t really that high, to be honest) is the reason America hasn’t been invaded since 1812. It’s certainly not the fact that no other country from our hemisphere has been at war with us since way back then – you know, then, back in 1812, when Canada whipped our ass and burned Washington DC… during a war we started. No one invades us for the same reason no one has invaded Antarctica: no one would want to win. I can’t say I blame them, I wouldn’t want to govern us, either.

The argument that takes the statistically inaccurate cake (one of the least popular of all cake flavors, behind only the urinal variety) is the claim that guns make you safer. The statistics just don’t add up on this. A gun you own is several times more likely to hurt you or a relative than an intruder. There are more accidental child gun deaths in a month than there are criminals shot by homeowners in a year. There is literally nothing to suggest owning a gun will make you less likely to be the victim of a home invasion or violent crime, and millions of guns every year are stolen.

There’s so many more stupid arguments in favor of gun ownership, probably as many as there are stupid people who own guns, but there’s only one that is valid: you should be allowed to own something that you can use responsibility. If you don’t have a real, concrete reason for owning a gun, why are you letting yourself be convinced by the gun industry that you need to purchase an overpriced hunk of metal that will probably just collect dust in your home?

9 comments:

  1. I love these comments. Bet the N.R.A. will make you the next picture on their shooting targets.

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  2. A picture of me, you say... well I hope they don't. No one should have to look at me, that's a fate worse than death.

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  3. That is the best you have Bret?

    More of the same convoluted self aggrandizing fluff just to see your keyed in drivel show up on screen? Come on, outlaw rape and murder example? How much of a dime bag did that take?

    Anarchists do not recognize the validity of the Hamiltonian Constitution, poking them about the BoR is useless.

    The stealth bombers are doing very well with a bunch of illiterate farmers and goat chasers in Afghanistan... yep very well...

    Overwhelming air power and stealth bombers may "win" wars with one super state backed by international banking attacking another super state backed by international banking but occupation, that is another story.

    Try and find some updated numbers not part of the typical overused drivel from the professional anti-gun ninnies.

    "There are more accidental child gun deaths in a month than there are criminals shot by homeowners in a year.”

    I provided the CDC information in the past (not a pro-gun source) that proves this fallacious - a crime can be diverted WITHOUT shooting the offender - try again.

    Any child death that can be prevented is tragic but there are far more deaths by other causes than “guns” it is just that “guns” make better headlines.

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  4. Come on, outlaw rape and murder example? How much of a dime bag did that take?

    I didn't come up with the ridiculous idea, I just applied it to something besides guns. Not sure why you keep implying I do drugs when a) I don't, b) you support drug legalization, and c) you're clearly on something, probably doctor prescribed (I just don't care and don't bother bringing it up).

    Anarchists do not recognize the validity of the Hamiltonian Constitution, poking them about the BoR is useless.

    As hard as it may be to imagine here at SE... most people who support gun use are not anarchists. In fact, nearly none of them are.

    The stealth bombers are doing very well with a bunch of illiterate farmers and goat chasers in Afghanistan... yep very well...

    Overwhelming air power and stealth bombers may "win" wars with one super state backed by international banking attacking another super state backed by international banking but occupation, that is another story.


    I'm sure Afghans and Iraqis agree that they're much better off after having endured the attacks of a modern army... in the same way that kids who play with guns are safer for it. Also, note that we did successfully overthrow their governments and put in the puppets we wanted, which is victory enough. You and I both know (if you were willing to step back from needing to use this as an example here) that the reason the war is so prolonged is because of the war profiteering of private interests, not the successful defense mounted by civilians with a death to kill ratio of over 100 to 1.

    Try and find some updated numbers not part of the typical overused drivel from the professional anti-gun ninnies.

    I did this several times in the past, but I'm frankly sick of doing your research for you. I said at the beginning this isn't a debate, because I have no intention of changing the mind of someone as stupid and intellectually lazy as you are. It's a sisyphean task I'm not interested in.

    "There are more accidental child gun deaths in a month than there are criminals shot by homeowners in a year.”

    I provided the CDC information in the past (not a pro-gun source) that proves this fallacious - a crime can be diverted WITHOUT shooting the offender - try again.


    Actually, my statistic holds up, and I'm not trying to do anything but inform those willing to listen, not to persuade those who are brain damaged.

    Any child death that can be prevented is tragic but there are far more deaths by other causes than “guns” it is just that “guns” make better headlines.

    It's not about "guns," in or out of quotes. I don't have any feelings when it comes to guns. They're just objects. I don't think we need to get rid of guns, I would prefer to just get rid of gun owners. Guns are don't kill people, idiots who own guns do.

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  5. The joys of waiting out more weather delays at the airport...

    I was going to just post - boring but I’ll bite...

    "I'm sure Afghans and Iraqis agree that they're much better off after having endured the attacks of a modern army...”

    You side stepped the point, typical.

    "I didn't come up with the ridiculous idea, I just applied it to something besides guns.”

    I does not fit, it becomes incomprehensible drivel, it does not make a point it just makes you seem inebriated.

    "Not sure why you keep implying I do drugs when a) I don’t”

    So you don’t, I imply stupefaction by chemicals because of your past posts. Why did you post about the joys of alcohol and cannabis, or write such a long list of substances and then proceed to talk about the past ingestion as something to be proud of?

    You don’t take any drugs at all - good for you. I’m good you have just never indicated otherwise.

    "b) you support drug legalization”

    I do, it is just one issue and I am convinced that our jails and prisons are far too full of people who do not need to be there - this issue is a part of that.

    "c) you're clearly on something”

    I am not, you can convince yourself whatever you want but I am a strict teetotaler encompassing all intoxicating substances including alcohol.

    "probably doctor prescribed (I just don't care and don't bother bringing it up).”

    Wrong again, the last time I had a regimen of medication was over 15 years ago recovering from a nasty I got from mosquitos in South America. - You are just trolling, try something else.

    "I said at the beginning this isn't a debate, because I have no intention of changing the mind of someone as stupid and intellectually lazy as you are. It's a sisyphean task I'm not interested in.”

    Nice try, first you have provided nothing (as usual) and your narcissism is showing. Quite a few things we can even agree on but clearly your role here as SE to to provide comic relief and to prove that sniveling indoctrinated educated Idiots exist. Just when are you going to start pulling “faggot” out of your butt-hurt ass again? You calling anyone intellectually lazy is delusional on your part.

    "Actually, my statistic holds up, and I'm not trying to do anything but inform those willing to listen, not to persuade those who are brain damaged.”

    Actually anyone using a real brain capable of reason and logic understands that is BS. Too bad your cerebellum is incapacitated much of the time, at least without cooling it down with some more cheep beer.

    I cannot help that you cannot see just how stupid and convoluted you can be sometimes, I also cannot help your narcissism, something that clearly adds to the blindness... I tell you what, just call me a faggot again and you may feel better, oh, even better... make up a good combination this time... how about nig-knob, or spic-ggot, kike-omo, or even chink-bender. Any of them would make a fuckwit troll like you feel better.

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  6. Well at least you clearly don't want to talk about guns... but why pick my second least favorite topic, myself? Might as well start at the beginning of your reply.

    You side stepped the point, typical.

    I clearly didn't. If "the south rose again," so to speak, they would be bombed back to the stone age, their leadership would be underground or dead, and the people of the wartorn region would live in perpetual danger until the conflict ended. Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be compared, because our goal was to destabilize them and install our own lap dogs so we could economically exploit them. "Mission Accomplished," so to speak.

    I[t] does not fit, it becomes incomprehensible drivel, it does not make a point it just makes you seem inebriated.

    Like I said, not my idea. "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" makes zero sense. Maybe if you're on Xanax, but I wouldn't know.

    I imply stupefaction by chemicals because of your past posts. Why did you post about the joys of alcohol and cannabis, or write such a long list of substances and then proceed to talk about the past ingestion as something to be proud of?

    I know for a fact I have made a point of saying I don't drink in the past (because it shocks people, and you know me... all about shocking). I didn't think I had to admit I wasn't on pot since... well, I'm an adult. And since I'm sure you're only misremembering my post, you can reread it here. If you want, you can just skip to paragraph 14 and 15 ("At this point...").

    You don’t take any drugs at all

    Caffiene, though I don't drink coffee (I'm practically Mormon... wow am I boring... this is why I don't want to talk about myself).

    Let's see, more insults... lots of insults... yeah, nothing else worth commenting on.

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  7. Ok. Now I KNOW the world will cease to exist.

    Did you just say you're practically "Mormon?"

    *Sits back on couch stupefied*

    Gotta give it to Bret. He sticks to his guns - excuse the pun - on this site.

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  8. "Let's see, more insults... lots of insults... yeah, nothing else worth commenting on.”

    Golly Bret, we are just directed to ignore your constant insults and then feel sorry for you when you just don’t like it....

    A line from a movie “I swear to god Jim it isn’t what you say... it is just the way you say it” except in your case is is what you say, after a while the “you are all a bunch of retards” just gets old, we get tired of you confirming your congenital narcissism.

    And No I don’t take drugs, but if you are going to insinuate that I do then I see no need to stop pounding on your inability to convince us you are not 2/3 into a bag of Maui’s best.

    "Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be compared, because our goal was to destabilize them and install our own lap dogs so we could economically exploit them. "Mission Accomplished," so to speak. “ And that is different than reconstruction how?

    The US could have left Iraq/Afghanistan well enough alone, and yes the occupied people are under conditions only a few Americans have ever witnessed first hand, but the people did not “ask” for it - all of them would have been happy to just continue the lives most had expected, the aggressor was the US just as I expect it to be again domestically. It is only a matter of time and excuse the ruling oligarchy chooses to implement.

    And yes you did side step the point, and I did not and do not blow any smoke about “the rising south” that is your particular misreading of things Bret.

    "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” is bumper sticker at best but your convoluted connection did not and does not make any reasonable or rational point. If you had said, lets say and object or identifiable substance for example cannabis "If cannabis is outlawed, only outlaws will have cannabis” that works.

    Your example of rape or murder are actions recognized by humans at the biological level as an attack to stimulate the fight or flight response, you can continue to think you topped this one but that was a stupid thought that did not pan out - a miss. You are the local grammar and spelling commissar Bret is that not just basic stuff?

    And you are correct I don’t want to talk about guns - with you, you don’t know shit and I don’t care what your newest angle on the same tired old discounted crap is, come up with something new and convincing outside of some expanded “it is for the children” and “you are conpensating” and “fuck you southerners” stuff that you just cannot help spew.

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